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The Systemd war is over

And systemd as master of the *nix everything can't happen. The war is lost. People who want and demand the granularity allowed by system V style init will steamroll anyone who forces systemd style mud. Consider the following conversation:

BingoBoingo: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-secret-pot-growing-operations-in-americas-cornfields/375913/

01:10:51 assbot: The Secret Pot-Growing Operations in America's Cornfields - The Atlantic

01:24:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00083614 = 2.8011 BTC [-]

01:25:03 decimation: asciilifeform: http://amzn.com/354045277X << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious

01:25:06 assbot: Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Amazon.com: Books

01:33:06 decimation: my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry

01:35:01 decimation: asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'.

01:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00084006 = 21.8836 BTC [+] {3}

01:37:59 decimation: asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers?

01:41:56 lobbes: "As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants

01:44:08 BingoBoingo: I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number

01:44:55 decimation: re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played

01:46:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00083976 = 22.8415 BTC [-] {2}

02:03:20 asciilifeform: decimation: logs << yes

02:04:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ?

02:05:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this.

02:05:32 asciilifeform: yet another... hearnia.

02:05:47 *: asciilifeform never saw them, never will see

02:06:11 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/26JE3QF.txt )

02:06:11 BingoBoingo: !b 4

02:06:25 BingoBoingo: Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary

02:06:32 asciilifeform: lol

02:09:35 BingoBoingo: Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal.

02:12:36 TheNewDeal: beautiful

02:12:54 asciilifeform: good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before.

02:13:01 asciilifeform: (and choosing a bsd - easier yet.)

02:13:41 BingoBoingo: Indeed

02:13:54 asciilifeform: all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all.

02:14:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 119 @ 0.18183897 = 21.6388 BTC [-] {7}

02:15:08 BingoBoingo: I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels

02:15:19 asciilifeform: this isn't about the aesthetics, either.

02:15:58 asciilifeform: this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.'

02:18:20 asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things.

02:21:20 decimation: asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan?

02:21:30 asciilifeform: howd'you guess

02:22:02 decimation: I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly

02:22:36 asciilifeform: what's inherently slow about init.d ?

02:22:55 BingoBoingo: decimation: No I want fucking control over how my system boots! And I don't want fucking dependency hell because I want my system in runlevel 4!

02:23:33 decimation: exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously

02:24:03 BingoBoingo: http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/

02:24:04 assbot: Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog

02:24:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-.

02:24:56 decimation: I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module

02:25:49 asciilifeform: ah yes, the old fritz chip.

02:26:06 BingoBoingo: As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest.

02:26:26 decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon?

02:27:30 *: BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here can recall when Mac OS machines stopped shipping with "resedit"

02:27:51 decimation: BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd

02:28:37 BingoBoingo: decimation: But is an intimately knowable one. OS 7 lives!

02:30:40 decimation: somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away'

02:30:55 decimation: so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously

02:31:49 BingoBoingo: It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world.

02:31:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:31:59 BingoBoingo: But instead people want Java world

02:32:12 decimation: what about LISP written in Java?

02:32:27 decimation: today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries

02:32:34 BingoBoingo: decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware

02:33:22 decimation: I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee

02:33:55 asciilifeform: decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was

02:34:34 asciilifeform: sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide.

02:35:24 decimation: I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code'

02:35:34 decimation: it made me unhappy to be programming C++

02:35:45 BingoBoingo: It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake.

For the record long pig is a euphemism for human meat.

Also, as long as people actually administer *nix hairballs systemd can not be a thing. That Gnome 3.8 declares it a dependency now, or some other turd declares it a dependency later matters little when the least of systemd's problems is a lack of knobs.

The systemd problem is not entirely the fact the right kinds of Linux won't take it, and it isn't that the BSD's won't take it at all. The problem is that there exists a class of people whose toil is administering *nix systems who won't take this whoreshit. Maybe "desktop" *nix and every beautiful *nix split. It would suck salty shit balls to be on the wrong, systemd side.

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