Much has been said on the subject of evangelists of nothing in particular who happen to herp and derp and cargo cult their way into trying to leach some sort of value for themselves off of Bitcoin. In this encounter we observe one DanMAbraham, person on twitter and the other "social media" platforms.
<DanMAbraham> hey
<DanMAbraham> i didn't (I'm trying to correct some things by adding an apostrophe here or there sometime fixing spelling, but be prepared to read a bunch of "casual chat speak" )) mean people are resources as in people are construction materials1
<BingoBoingo> You suggested they were equivalent
<DanMAbraham> but say you have a productive asset, it could be anything
<DanMAbraham> you dont melt dowhn that asset and then use it for something totally useless2
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: yes, the human mind is still a resource
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: it can produce things that otherwise would not be produced
<DanMAbraham> its like an idea-factory
<Luke-Jr> grubles: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6208a1.htm admits over 765k alone were reported to the CDC
<BingoBoingo> Not everyone's mind, not equally...
<DanMAbraham> it doesnt matter, not all gold mines produce top quality ore
<DanMAbraham> its still a gold mine3
<Cusipzzz> ahhh, i get it now :/
<BingoBoingo> I don't like everything Luke-Jr has done as an example, but he made GetBlockTemplate a thing, and it is pretty sweet
<DanMAbraham> luke-jr as a person is different from his as a dev
<Luke-Jr> lol
<DanMAbraham> all i know is as a person, hes pretty much an ignorant asshole4
<Luke-Jr> no u
<DanMAbraham> he self-righteously puts bible verses into the block chain
<DanMAbraham> (sp!)
<Luke-Jr> name one
<BingoBoingo> A person is either the sum of their accomplishments or what you can render from them into parts DanMAbraham
<Luke-Jr> not to mention your implication of my intent
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: well, the only thing I see people as made up of is Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen
<DanMAbraham> and lesser parts of other elements
<DanMAbraham> now if you take people down into those constituent parts, they will appear like a small pile of coal, hydrogen gas, water, and some other random chemicals
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Biodiesel is a thing...5
<DanMAbraham> my point is, the constituents are nowhere as value as the whole thing assembled correctly
<DanMAbraham> the same applies to a watch or a computer or a company
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: For most people I'd beg to differ
<BingoBoingo> Most people might be worth more as parts
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: i think you will find, even the poorest least successful person is still more valuable and capable than a lump of inanimate matter6
<BingoBoingo> Maybe their kidneys are worth more than the hydrocarbons in many cases, but still... worth more as parts
<DanMAbraham> or rather, i posit you the challenge, convert inanimate matter into something resembling an intelligent human (ai researchers have been failing at this for decades)
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: No need. Fuck enough an eventually you might get a worthwhile person.
<DanMAbraham> lol
<BingoBoingo> I still take afront to the assumption though that since I'm on IRC I must be using a PC and not something more interesting DanMAbraham
<DanMAbraham> you misunderstood
<DanMAbraham> i was using pc as an example
<DanMAbraham> any computer would apply (or turing machine)
<DanMAbraham> you can use a smarttv, tablet, phone, mobile, laptop
<DanMAbraham> anything to go on irc
<DanMAbraham> for all i know you could be using a programmable calculator
<BingoBoingo> What if I have a computer that isn't a turing machine, like a Dog?7
<DanMAbraham> you could be using a series of dogs arranged in the correct order to do the binary logic required to go online
<DanMAbraham> ive seen a computer made out of dominoes
<DanMAbraham> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpLU__bhu2w - dominoes
<DanMAbraham> 10,000 of them to do make a simpler full-adder
<DanMAbraham> tbh human-kind doesn't excite me, I see humans as the primary cause and solution to all their own problems
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: You have all of these grand ideas, but as far as I know all you've done is made a bad loan to Supa.
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: if all you know about me is that I made a loan to super, then you don't know me at all
<BingoBoingo> Sure you have a twitter, but no one can be arsed to scroll through all of that javascript.
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: feel free to research me, twitter.com/DanMAbraham is a start, im on youtube, facebook, linkedin, and dozens of other social media sites8
<DanMAbraham> i might start blogging soon too
<BingoBoingo> Well, blog then.
<DanMAbraham> well, thats a start
<BingoBoingo> Because those other things, aren't things that get read9
<DanMAbraham> i will blog when I think people are interested in what I have to say
<DanMAbraham> I was recently interviewed by Croydon Radio (an local radio station)
<DanMAbraham> I have been speculating in cryptocurrencies for years
<BingoBoingo> Well right now I'm interested in all of the nothing you are spewing10
<DanMAbraham> I have owned over 300 BTC and 10,000 LTC and 5,000 DRK
<BingoBoingo> Peak BTC owned is a rather spurious metric...11
<DanMAbraham> indeed, but the point im making is12
<BingoBoingo> Many people have gone from many BTC to near 0
<DanMAbraham> i released alot of information about me already
<DanMAbraham> so if anyone is interested, they are free to look
<BingoBoingo> But the problem is... If you release it in the wrong place no one can care
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I own very little BTC now because I dont want to own it any more, I think the system is flawed
<BingoBoingo> And what do you suppose is better?
<DanMAbraham> thats an irrelevant question
<DanMAbraham> all i know is that bitcoin is flawed
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Compare the exposure you imagine you get to http://slashdot.org/story/14/08/26/0131200/early-bitcoin-user-interviewed-by-federal-officers
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: i really have no interest in that kind of exposure
<DanMAbraham> i dont affiliate myself with any illegal activities
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Neither do I
<DanMAbraham> and "interviewed" is very different from "suspected of a crime" or "Charged with a crime"
<BingoBoingo> It is indeed. I know because I didn't come out of the encounter in handcuffs
<DanMAbraham> was that you?
<BingoBoingo> Yes, the linked blog is my own.13
<DanMAbraham> also, i notice that happened in america
<DanMAbraham> i come from the uk
<DanMAbraham> i notice in the usa it seems the police just go wild like an untamed dog there
<BingoBoingo> Doesn't make much difference. The legal climate in all the Anglophone countries is fucked.
<BingoBoingo> Didn't London have its own Ferguson moment a few years ago?
<DanMAbraham> either way, i cant change history
<DanMAbraham> i dont plan to own any major amounts of cryptos for the time being
<DanMAbraham> and as far as I know, i didnt break any laws at the time or now
<DanMAbraham> in either case, the legal climate is one of the reasons why i sold off (financial difficulties and a ream of other problems being mitigating factors)
<DanMAbraham> I will probably support the EFF (electronic freedom foundation)
<BingoBoingo> Well, why do you want to tie it up into your identity then?14
<DanMAbraham> ive donated to hundreds of organisations, but not them, its probably about time i do
<BingoBoingo> And the EFF is the Electronic Frontier Foundation
<DanMAbraham> thats what i meant
<DanMAbraham> its 6.34 and im tired
<BingoBoingo> Frontier, because all of these issues are unsettled
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: why shouldnt I link it to my identity?
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: once you use an exchange its already tied to your bank account and name15
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Well, if you have none or almost none and no ongoing connections, why is it your business anymore?
<DanMAbraham> i still own some Darkcoin and I recently bought some XCurrency, there seems to be a big emphasis on anonymity - i like the tech but i dont plan to use it
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: its not my business, I dont make money off cryptos right now
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: thats not my aim in life
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I support linux whether I like it or not because I respect the ideology behind it
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I like the blockchain technology because I believe it has alot of other uses other than just money
<BingoBoingo> What is your aim? You seem to want to suppose yourself some sort of expert and evangelist.
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I am neither an "expert" or "evangelist"
<DanMAbraham> all I do is spread information
<DanMAbraham> and gain as much as i can
<DanMAbraham> i do some small-scale speculation in the altcoin ecosystem
<BingoBoingo> Well, what information can you have to spread if you don't even know what Luke-Jr is notable for.
<DanMAbraham> I want to own a tiny bit of every altcoin
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I dont care about Luke-Jr
<DanMAbraham> i know enough about the bitcoin project, and I can always find out more
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: You cared enough to ignore him.
* Luke-Jr makes 1000 altcoins and sells them at 1 BTC each
<DanMAbraham> i ignored him because his claim that 50% of people die from murder was quite frankly a joke and clueless
<Luke-Jr> yeah, because DanMAbraham's smarter than the evidence
<DanMAbraham> i have no need to converse with people who have that legel of ignorance
<DanMAbraham> legel=level
<DanMAbraham> i dont claim to know everything
<DanMAbraham> if you wanna teach me more about where my knowledge lacks i would be greatful
<DanMAbraham> i am just here to do what I am here to do though
<DanMAbraham> most of what I like to do is obvious if you look at me in detail
<BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr has a very Catholic perspective. If you understand how that shapes his interpretations and exposition, he suddenly doesn't sound so crazy.16
<BingoBoingo> But there is no where to see that.17
<DanMAbraham> thats fair enough, but bringing his religious beliefs into an open source project like bitcoin just seems unreasonable and potentially dangerous
<DanMAbraham> i am religious myself, but I dont proselyze in every irc channel or every open source project I can find
<DanMAbraham> proselytize
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: That's why... No particular dev in BTC really matters anymore18
<DanMAbraham> there is always a time and a place for religious
<DanMAbraham> and a time and a place for politics
<DanMAbraham> and a time and a place for most things
<BingoBoingo> And the blockchain defends itself pretty well against actual spam
<Luke-Jr> lol no
<DanMAbraham> i can think of some easy ways to spam it
<BingoBoingo> If you have a short message you want in the blockchain and pay the tx fee or hashpower you can do it.
<DanMAbraham> hint: botnet
<DanMAbraham> yeh, i have tried before BingoBoingo
<BingoBoingo> Not anymore, maybe on litecoin
<DanMAbraham> it was pretty difficult
<DanMAbraham> but it is possible
<DanMAbraham> the reality is, i see most of bitcoin as a bunch of kids who have just discovered fire
<DanMAbraham> and im not sure they know what the implications are
<DanMAbraham> i actually worry because I seem to have been one of those kids, years ago, i was young and immature
<DanMAbraham> im only just starting to realise and understand what I didnt know
<BingoBoingo> I'm pretty sure you still don't understand how much Bitcoin actually IS fire.
<DanMAbraham> oh, i do understand
<BingoBoingo> Not when: https://twitter.com/DanMAbraham/status/507775182379819010
<DanMAbraham> its grown almost exponentially, and faster than I ever imagined possible
<DanMAbraham> these are currencies which I like and which I involve myself in
<DanMAbraham> i consider them promising because they take risks to do something novel and interesting in a way in which I see may be useful
<DanMAbraham> Curecoin helps folding@home
<DanMAbraham> Motocoin/huntercoin could be used to help people, perhaps disadvantaged people
<DanMAbraham> ive examined the teams behind them and the code
<BingoBoingo> Oh, the value of bitcoin is just one of the smaller parts of its "danger"
<DanMAbraham> and I like what I see despite them being nowhere near perfect
<Luke-Jr> lol, a RPG helping disadvantaged people
<DanMAbraham> as I said, I dont own bitcoin, I dont plan to own a major stake
<DanMAbraham> i probably will more likely want to play around with interest altcoins
<DanMAbraham> I am not here to profiteer anymore
<DanMAbraham> i understand there will be alot of potential problems with bitcoinw hich is why I choose to stay away from owning more than a tiny amount that I stick in a blockchain.info account
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: You have to understand, if there even is an endgame its greater than 50% of electric output into mining http://trilema.com/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies
<DanMAbraham> im not sure what I mean by that
<DanMAbraham> but i dont trust trilema.com :P or mircea popescu
<BingoBoingo> Why not?
<DanMAbraham> lol, obvious reasons19
<DanMAbraham> id rather not get into it right now
<DanMAbraham> altcoins are the only hope right now
<BingoBoingo> Is it because like Luke-Jr you find him rude without caring to dig any deepr?
<DanMAbraham> not because theres something wrong with bitcoin, but because of the people _involved_ in bitcoin
<DanMAbraham> i dont care about luke, gavin, gmaxwell, any of the other devs
<DanMAbraham> they are just that, as you said, devs
<DanMAbraham> i helped gmaxwell before, because I really liked his ideas, coinjoin was a great idea
<DanMAbraham> i profited nicely from darkcoin and other coins which depended on that coinjoin idea
<DanMAbraham> but i am saying, if i wanted to make money, it wouldnt be from cryptos
<DanMAbraham> mostly a personal choice
<DanMAbraham> cryptos are something i like for its academic or theoretical novelty right now
<BingoBoingo> What happens when the novelty wears out and scarcity locks in again?
<DanMAbraham> fine, if i wanted to, i could probably make a million dollars again, if i wanted to
<DanMAbraham> there is no scarcity20
<DanMAbraham> you are assuming I care about the bitcoins
<DanMAbraham> whereas i care about the code and the ideas that allow bitcoin to work
<DanMAbraham> i will probably always own a small amount of bitcoin and most other altcoins, for novelty sake
<BingoBoingo> Other than CoinJoin, what do you know about?
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: ring signatures (bitmonero), zero-knowledge proofs
<DanMAbraham> blind signatures
<DanMAbraham> ECDSA/DiffieHellman Key Exchange
<BingoBoingo> Familiar enough with any of that to put the math behind one of those things on paper using a pen?
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I dont have a cryptography degree, but, I have seen enough lectures to probably be able to do that in a month
<DanMAbraham> i have a link to a lecture on ECDSA on my youtube channel
<DanMAbraham> in one of the playlists
<BingoBoingo> Youtube is a shit format for conveying information, video generally is.
<DanMAbraham> yeh
<DanMAbraham> wikipedia is generally ok, the textbooks are better
<Luke-Jr> DanMAbraham knows buzzwords :P
<DanMAbraham> i dont really have enough access to the books
<BingoBoingo> Few universities actually have departemnts or degrees in the field of cryptography on its own.
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Is there not a Library near you?
<DanMAbraham> lol, yeh, but i doubt they have any books on this#
<DanMAbraham> they have maths/sciences/physics/etc
<DanMAbraham> but i dont think anythign that will go that deep into cryptography
<BingoBoingo> Interlibrary loan not a thing in the UK?
<Luke-Jr> > because cryptography isn't maths
<DanMAbraham> nah
<DanMAbraham> i do agree, we need more people who understand this math in detail
<DanMAbraham> but i dont think im one of those people
<DanMAbraham> i just dont have the time
<DanMAbraham> or the resources
<BingoBoingo> I find this assertion that Interlibrary loan doesn't exist... pretty incredible
<DanMAbraham> uhm, it probably does BingoBoingo
<DanMAbraham> but the local library is just full of muppets
<DanMAbraham> and id rather not bother
<DanMAbraham> its easier to buy a book off amazon
<DanMAbraham> or travel into london or sneak into a university
<DanMAbraham> i could do it, dont get me wrong
<DanMAbraham> my area of math that I am liking at the moment though is more calculus and statistics
<DanMAbraham> i recently went to a cool statistics lecture
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Are you familiar with the concept of a Cargo Cult?
<BingoBoingo> Also Statistics isn't mathematics/.
<Luke-Jr> yet he denies statistics on murders
<DanMAbraham> A cargo cult is a Melanesian millenarian movement encompassing a diverse range of practices and occurring in the wake of contact with the commercial networks of colonizing societies. The name derives from the belief that various ritualistic acts will lead to a bestowing of material wealth ("cargo").
<DanMAbraham> I would agree 100% with you BingoBoingo, but alot of people are obsessed with statistics
<DanMAbraham> if you wanna good job in finance, learn it and you will get rich pretty quickly
<DanMAbraham> you probably would earn more money knowing statistics than cryptography
<DanMAbraham> (and have a wider choice of employment opportunities too)
<BingoBoingo> Oh statistics is a thing, but it isn't mathematics. Also Cargo Cults are no way limited to Pacific Islanders
<DanMAbraham> whats the relevance of cargo cults?
<BingoBoingo> Well Cargo Cults imagine to have strong opinions on transport and logistics the way you have strong opinions on cryptocurrency.
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: my opinions are backed by my experiences
<BingoBoingo> http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/2711/1/The%20answer%20lies%20in%20the%20sewers%28lsero%29.pdf
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I saw the popularity of cryptos spike way up (as well as their price) so I deduce there is some utility in this technology
<DanMAbraham> I also see an idea was implemented that is pretty interesting from a tech perspective
<DanMAbraham> I dont really have an opinion on cryptocurrency
<DanMAbraham> I just look at what I see in front of me and make a decision
<DanMAbraham> I had a simular idea about the internet in 1996
<DanMAbraham> I knew it was an important innovation
<DanMAbraham> This is nothing to do with opinion or beleif to me
<BingoBoingo> Much as pacific islanders saw airplanes and recognized them as important.
<DanMAbraham> Well, in that case, you could argue our ancestors were Cargo Cults when it came to Fire or the Wheel
<DanMAbraham> if it works, then use it...
<BingoBoingo> And yet never cared to understand airplanes or the infrastructure behind them
<DanMAbraham> Are you trying to suggest that we be anti-progress or anti-tech?
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: You dont understand, I said before I am not looking to profit from cryptos right now, all I _DO_ care about is tthe technology and infrastructure behind cryptos
<BingoBoingo> No, I'm suggesting you particular kind of evangalism is dangerous.
<DanMAbraham> im not an evangalist
<DanMAbraham> and how is it dangeorus if I was?
<BingoBoingo> Not what your twitter suggests
<DanMAbraham> Ok
<DanMAbraham> So I talk about a few altcoins mostly
<DanMAbraham> And I took a photoshoot with a few models wearing a bitcoin chain
<DanMAbraham> So I am not an evangelist?
<DanMAbraham> not=now
<BingoBoingo> And you are incredibly dangerous to any newcomer who might care to take you seriously.
<DanMAbraham> Care to explain why?
<DanMAbraham> Because I dont impose my opinions on others, I tell everyone to goto bitcoin.org or look at weusecoins, or goto irc or the forums and get information themselves
<DanMAbraham> I am not spreading misinformation
<BingoBoingo> You position yourself as an evangelist. You intregrate crypt0-OMGWTFBBQ into the identity you present online.
<DanMAbraham> So you want me to ignore cryptocurrencies and pretend I have never heard of them?
<BingoBoingo> I want you to stop pretending this shit doesn't have a history that predates you and exists outside the bubble of the world as you imagine it.
<DanMAbraham> I never said that it doesnt
<DanMAbraham> I was involved in BTC aroudn teh time the price was around 2$ each
<DanMAbraham> at that time I was a mere observer
<DanMAbraham> all I wanted to know is if the code worked and the idea worked, because it seemed almost impossible to me
<DanMAbraham> I know that satoshi invented it before I knew about it
<BingoBoingo> And yet you dun really know who anyone is...
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I spent months just reading through allt he forum posts
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: you seem to suggest I am ignorant or dont know what I am talking about
<DanMAbraham> I spent time reading mailing list posts
<BingoBoingo> <DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: you seem to suggest I am ignorant or dont know what I am talking about << I feel comfortable suggesting exactly this.
<DanMAbraham> Infact, I am happy to ignore cryptocurrencies, I am happy to not tweet about them again
<DanMAbraham> ok, so what makes you an expert in this field BingoBoingo?
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: Well... There's the part where in my past readings I have a pretty good idea of who the fuck Luke-Jr is
<DanMAbraham> I dont think Luke-Jr is important
<BingoBoingo> And who phantomcircuit21and coingenuity22 are
<BingoBoingo> and nanotube23
<DanMAbraham> phantomcircuit - used to run britcoin/intersango
<BingoBoingo> All of these people are important in Bitcoin's history
<DanMAbraham> coingenuity - used to run that gold-btc shop
<DanMAbraham> very dodgy person coingeniuty
<DanMAbraham> i dont have much problems with phanto
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I have been around for yeras, why do you assume I dont know who these people are?
<DanMAbraham> i know exactly or can find out quickly what luke-jr has done, I am saying I dont like him on a personal level (not a professional level)
<DanMAbraham> nanotube - afaik he runs bitcointalk.org24
<BingoBoingo> Because when it comes to cryptocurrency you go cheerleading CureCoin, huntercoin, and whogivesafuck coin
<DanMAbraham> and probaly hass done alot of other stuff
<BingoBoingo> No, nanotube does not run bitcointalk.org
<DanMAbraham> he probably runs the IRC or something
<BingoBoingo> Thank god he is well above that cesspool
<DanMAbraham> the point i am making is
<DanMAbraham> if you listen to my reasons for living these things, you will understand it has nothign to do with bitcoin
<DanMAbraham> I like CureCoin because of what it stands for, smae for motocoin and huntercoin
<DanMAbraham> if you want a successful project or one that makes you rich, dont support these projects
<DanMAbraham> thats not the point
<DanMAbraham> i can tell people exactly what to buy or sell or short to make money
<DanMAbraham> its easy to make money on anything being pumped and dumped if you have all teh info
<BingoBoingo> You have exactly enough knowledge to be a danger to any newcomer who might see you first
<DanMAbraham> and the sound projects are all out there
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I dont give crypto-currency financial advise
<BingoBoingo> DanMAbraham: I'm not talking about financial advise.
<DanMAbraham> if you like science, and like folding@home - curecoin is a nice little niche project
<DanMAbraham> motocoin and huntercoin are good if you wanna experiment in gaming/cryptocoin hybrid
<DanMAbraham> s
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: well whats the rpoblem? I am not going around telling noobs what to invest in
<BingoBoingo> I'm merely talking about a vaguely passable idea of what the ecosystem looks like
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: so I am not putting anyone in danger
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: ok
<DanMAbraham> this is what it looks like
<BingoBoingo> You seem to care little about pondering and investigating the things you don't know
<DanMAbraham> Bitcoin -> Namecoin/Litecoin -> Dogecoin/Ripple/Nxt -> Darkcoin/Monero
<DanMAbraham> These are some of the notable currencies that have developed
<DanMAbraham> There are probably at least 500 different altcoins though
<DanMAbraham> Everything is constantly cloning and evolving
<DanMAbraham> I am not here to give an exact map of whats happened over the past 4 years
<DanMAbraham> someone else can do that, theres sites like bitcoinhistory
<DanMAbraham> The coins I talk about, are just a selection of the coins I personally like for reasons other than monetary gain or even technical reasons
<DanMAbraham> I tell anyone, to goto sites like coinmarketcap.com or the bitcoin wiki
<DanMAbraham> and make their own decision
<DanMAbraham> I do not present information to most people, I just direct them to reputable sources so they can learn themselves
<BingoBoingo> http://www.bustygirlsdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/big-tits-girls-in-river-naked-005.jpg
<DanMAbraham> I might tell people basic facts like a) bitcoin is peer-to-peer and distributed b) there are a limnited supply of 21 million c) it uses cryptographic signatures and proof of works
<DanMAbraham> uhm ok ;)
<DanMAbraham> BingoBoingo: I would really like to know
<DanMAbraham> What my areas of knowledge are missing
<DanMAbraham> and what you think it is I do not know
<DanMAbraham> Because I am not understanding your criticism
<DanMAbraham> Tell me what I do not know, and I will learn it
<BingoBoingo> I don't think you are on the what to learn phase yet... Maybe first wrestle with how to learn?
<DanMAbraham> that makes no sense
<DanMAbraham> So, you are suggesting I dont know how to learn?
<DanMAbraham> So like I dropped out of high school?25
<DanMAbraham> And accidentally ran into a bunch of bitcoins
<DanMAbraham> and now all I talk about is nonsense
<DanMAbraham> Is that what you are saying is me?
<DanMAbraham> so im a clueless bitcoin evangelist?
<DanMAbraham> i dont have any qualifications
<BingoBoingo> Well, yeah, you're making progress. Self realization
<DanMAbraham> i dont know how to write code
<DanMAbraham> i dont know anyone in the community
<DanMAbraham> everything I have achieved is pure luck
<DanMAbraham> i dont understand any computer science principles
<DanMAbraham> i didnt goto study Computer Science BSc
<DanMAbraham> i dont know anything about trade or finance or business
<BingoBoingo> Neither did I
<DanMAbraham> if that is what your opinion of me is...
<BingoBoingo> My degrees are in philosophy and Library Science
<DanMAbraham> then I have already deduced you know nothing about me, and that you arent really looking or examining or analysing me in any detail at all
<DanMAbraham> so you are just basically speculating that I know nothing and am worth nothing
<BingoBoingo> Well, biodiesel...
<DanMAbraham> in that case, I give up
<DanMAbraham> you can hold that belief
<DanMAbraham> infact, i would prefer you do
<DanMAbraham> theres no point trying to convince anyone of anything they cant discover themselves
<DanMAbraham> if you do wanna awaken one day, all my info is out there, my cv is on facebook and linkedin, and all the information about me can be found on social media
<DanMAbraham> until then, I am going to do some reading or put my time to otherwise productive use
* DanMAbraham bye
<Luke-Jr> BingoBoingo: you have a lot of patience :P
<BingoBoingo> Luke-Jr: I don't have patience, the vodka does.
<Luke-Jr> lol
<BingoBoingo> Saw his rate on Glooboy and wanted to investigate.
<BingoBoingo> Imma blog this.26
<Luke-Jr> XD
And I guess, this is what patience delivers when you allow it.
- This conversation is the continuation of one that was chased out of #bitcoin-otc but logs for that are already freely available. [↩]
- A substantial selling point of Aluminum is exactly that you can take something that was useful in the past and render it into something more immediately useful without much expense ans while not degrading in the way earlier materials recycling was experiment on do. [↩]
- This is particularly troubling when one considers that the cost of mining deposit X can be compared to that of mining deposit Y. Particular gold mines like particular minds are not particularly fungible. Often the gold may even simply better left unmined as the cost of extraction provides its own security. [↩]
- There are any number of things I would not trust Luke-Jr with. There's a vast history of stuff in plaintext on the public facing Internet from which people can form a conclusion on Luke-Jr. The argument however that X is simply an asshole because he is mean to you is one the laziest sort of sub-ad hominem critiques of a person possible. [↩]
- However objectionable this may seem someone somehow someway is going to steal your carbon. Hopefully you are done with it first. [↩]
- The condition of being poor and the condition of lacking success are not problems when applied to a person. Malicious idiocy however can and does confer a negative value upon a person. [↩]
- Just because:
[↩] - An online identity predicated on other people's platforms is nothing of the sort. [↩]
- I'm the sort of person who upon finding a blog with an interesting author might try to binge read the entire blog's archives. Sometimes I finish, but other times a person has to take a break. On the other hand Twitter is the online equivalent of yelling, and the intelligibility of social media goes downhill from there, not just in any particular case, but in all cases. [↩]
- Generally the narcissism of any particular person is going to be uninteresting. Every now and then though a person has to calibrate to a standard to measure other similar things to though. [↩]
- It is important to keep in mind Bitcoin has traded anywhere from 10,000 for pizza to nearly 1 per troy ounce of gold in its history so far. [↩]
- I've at this point given up at editing any of the text at all. [↩]
- Among other reasons a blog trumps the walled garden forms of online social media in that it's yours, and if you've written anything worthwhile, you can cite yourself. [↩]
- There are a number of great reasons to separate interests from one's fundamental identify. [↩]
- For some definitions of all of the nouns involved to varying degrees. [↩]
- This doesn't mean Luke-JR should be listened to at all, it means you there is a way to consider how he comes to his conclusions. [↩]
- refering to DanMAbraham [↩]
- If BTC forks again one chain will arise as valuable and the other as worthless. The process likely won't take long. [↩]
- Trust and mistrust are never obvious. It's why in a Web of Trust system the rating exist to to point you to people to ask about the subject in question. [↩]
- Now in bitcoin related channels I frequent failings of American culture get discussed a lot, but maybe this denial of scarcity is the result of exposure to Ingsoc and the Ministry of Plenty ability to never run out of Victory Gin? [↩]
- Sinner [↩]
- Sinner [↩]
- Saint [↩]
- That would be Thermos [↩]
- It's possible to make it through nearly any level of schooling without learning how to learn. [↩]
- And if he start a blog he can blog this with his own footnotes. I swear this Internet thing is some fucking magic. [↩]
I humbly request that you color-code lengthy chat log excerpts so that I can selectively read one author and tune out the irritating blabber.
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You're welcome.
I might consider it in the future.
Thank you.